We often assume that once we get the session scheduled, the hard part is over. Just get everyone in the room with some sticky notes, and the collaboration will flow. But what happens when the most senior person in the organization treats your workshop like performance art - and not in a good way?
That’s the challenge Evelyn van Kelle shared with us in this installment of Stories on Facilitating Software Architecture and Design. It’s a story about trying to facilitate collaborative modeling when hierarchy doesn’t just influence the conversation - it actively suffocates it.
Already Fighting Uphill
Evelyn was a few weeks into working with a company going through major changes. Uncertainty was everywhere. Decisions weren’t being made or repeatedly postponed. Fingers were being pointed. The hierarchy was so present in daily operations that in most meetings, only the people high up in rank were speaking while everyone else watched and waited to be told what to do.
She and a colleague proposed an EventStorming session. Leadership’s response? They called it “a wasted day.” Real work could be done instead. The participants picked up on this resistance immediately, showing up hesitant and uncertain about whether they should even be there.
The session reflected that anxiety. Conversations stayed high-level. There were no disagreements, which is a red flag for any facilitator worth their salt. No hotspots appeared on the board. Everyone agreed on everything, which might be an indication that nobody was saying what they actually thought.
Most tellingly, people kept asking for approval to even move a sticky note. They’d look to specific people in the room before taking any action, people who happened to be high up in the organizational hierarchy.
Working Too Hard
Evelyn and her co-facilitator found themselves working harder than usual to get anything moving. Another heuristic: when you’re working this hard as a facilitator, something’s going on that needs attention.
She got frustrated. She felt like she couldn’t make an impact, like she was just proving the resistant leadership right. That feeling hit hard.
They tried intervening with sense-making exercises, attempting to make some of the implicit stuff explicit. They could feel there was a lot happening beneath the surface - plenty of shadows, as Evelyn calls it - but it felt like her flashlight wasn’t working. She couldn’t shine a light on what was really going on.
That’s when she applied one of her own heuristics: when you don’t feel in control, stand back literally. Just observe. Watch the behavioral patterns.
The CTO’s Rounds
There was one more ingredient in this situation: the CTO. Part of the leadership group that wasn’t sold on this “wasted day.” He had more important work to do, so he wouldn’t be participating.
What he did instead was walk in every now and then. Just to check how things were going, he said. He’d walk in, look at the brown paper on the wall, stand there with his arms crossed, maybe make a sarcastic comment, rarely ask a question. Then he’d walk out.
Evelyn noticed her own physical reaction every time: shoulders tensing, breath catching in her throat, starting to sweat. But it wasn’t just her. The whole group would stop. People stopped writing on stickies, stopped sharing opinions, stopped doing anything. The entire session would freeze until he left.
The Slow Clap
Then came what Evelyn calls the grand finale.
They were in the middle of a sense-making exercise, one aimed at making feelings and interpretations explicit. For the first time all day, someone was actually sharing something vulnerable. It felt like a breakthrough.
The CTO walked in that exact moment. The energy changed immediately. But this person was brave enough to continue, sharing their concerns, thoughts, and insecurities.
The CTO listened. After a few seconds of silence, he started to slow clap.
That’s when Evelyn’s physical reaction peaked. Not just in her; she could see it rippling through the group. The CTO walked out, and everyone stood there in silence, looking at the facilitators.
Evelyn and her co-facilitator were overwhelmed. She figured the best thing to do was make it explicit. She shared what that moment did to her: the physical reaction, the feeling of being unsafe and defensive, admitting she didn’t have an answer for how to continue.
Her co-facilitator did the same, sharing their vulnerability and that unsafe feeling. They took a break. When they came back, they asked the group: do you want to continue or stop here?
The group chose to continue. They did a sense-making exercise for anyone who wanted to share something about what had just happened. Some people did. In hindsight, Evelyn thinks it was the right move, but the impact of that behavior on the group was intense.
Unpacking the Dynamics
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Physical reactions are data: Evelyn learned that when she gets an intense physical reaction, it’s a signal that something important is happening; a moment where she can and should act. This became a heuristic for her.
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Working too hard means something’s up: When facilitators find themselves working unusually hard to get basic participation, it’s not just a difficult group. Something structural is blocking the conversation.
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Hierarchy doesn’t just influence, it overshadows: The dominant behavior of high-ranking people doesn’t just shape the conversation. It actively prevents other perspectives from emerging. As Kenny noted during the conversation, people in higher rank can literally overshadow the other shadows in the room.
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Safety collapses before you see it: The conditions for safety were already fragile: leadership’s resistance, participants’ hesitancy, the transactional culture. The CTO’s behavior didn’t create the problem; it revealed how little safety there was to begin with.
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Neutrality is about creating space, not hiding feelings: Evelyn distinguishes between being neutral and acting neutral. She can’t be fully neutral - she has reactions and judgments. But acting neutral means not letting her emotions dictate the tone for everyone else, which would shut down other perspectives before they emerge.
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Understanding behavior doesn’t mean excusing it: After the session, Evelyn had a one-on-one conversation with the CTO. Her goal wasn’t to tell him he was wrong, but to understand where the behavior came from. She learned that his behavior earned him compliments from others in his peer group. For him, at that moment, maintaining that identity was more important than the group’s progress.
The Session That Shouldn’t Have Happened
Looking back, Evelyn says she wouldn’t run that session the same way. Making it a big official event for leadership turned it into something that had to be justified and defended. A better approach might have been to weave collaborative modeling into regular work, experimenting with it in smaller doses without the spotlight.
But she doesn’t regret the experience. It cost her a few sleepless nights, but she learned something that’s stuck with her: every facilitator will face behavior that triggers them, that they don’t like, that hinders the group. The question isn’t whether it will happen. The question is what you do when it does.
Further Reading
Facilitating Software Design and Architectur: Evelyn van Kelle, Gien Verschatse, Kenny Baas-Schwegler - Collaborative Software Design: Facilitating Domain modeling decision – Practical guidance directly from the facilitators behind this series on handling behavioral challenges in architectural workshops.
EventStorming: Alberto Brandolini, EventStorming – The foundational resource for running collaborative modeling sessions and understanding when they work, including the importance of psychological conditions.
Behavioral Science in Professional Settings: Kim Scott, Radical Candor – Addresses how to understand others’ behavior and intentions while maintaining clarity and accountability, paralleling Evelyn’s approach to the CTO conversation.
Guests
Evelyn van Kelle
I’ve always been curious. Especially about people and what happens when you throw a bunch of very different humans into a room and expect them to build something together. Spoiler: it’s never just about the technology. My background in social sciences means I look at software development and organizations through a sociotechnical lens: how human behavior, social dynamics, and group decision-making shape what actually gets built (and whether it works).
I thrive on questions more than answers, experiments more than certainties, and the learning that comes from exploring complexity rather than simplifying it away. Curiosity drives my work, whether I’m exploring cognitive biases in decision-making, helping teams and leadership navigate conflict, or figuring out how organizations can change without burning people out.
Along the way, I realized my childhood dream of writing a book, co-authoring Collaborative Software Design - how to facilitate domain modeling decisions. I also love sharing what I learn and (think I) know at international conferences, meetups, and podcasts. And if you ever want to dive into (or rant about) how humans + tech collide, I’m your person.
You can find my blogs and gigs here: https://evelynvankelle.com/
Gien Verschatse
Gien Verschatse is an experienced consultant and software engineer that specializes in domain modelling and software architecture. She's fluent in both object-oriented and functional programming, mostly in .NET. As a Domain-Driven Design practitioner, she always looks to bridge the gaps between experts, users, and engineers. As a side interest, she's researching the science of decision-making strategies, to help teams improve how they make technical and organizational decisions. She shares her knowledge by speaking and teaching at international conferences.
And when she is not doing all that, you'll find her on the sofa, reading a book and sipping coffee.
Hosts
Discussed heuristics
How do you know when something beneath the surface is blocking a session?
Notice when you work too hard as facilitator
More info →GuidingHow do you help a group move forward when everyone seems frozen or unable to participate?
Make explicit feelings when the group is stuck
More info →GuidingWhat should you do when you feel overwhelmed or triggered during a facilitation session?
Step back and observe when losing control
More info →GuidingHow do you introduce collaborative modeling when leadership sees it as wasted time?
Start small when leadership resists collaborative sessions
More info →GuidingHow should you handle someone whose behavior is disrupting a session without making things worse?
Address destructive behavior in private conversations
More info →GuidingHow can you tell if hierarchy is preventing honest collaboration in a modeling session?
Watch for approval-seeking as a safety signal
More info →GuidingHow do you know if something you find problematic is actually blocking the group's progress?


